Tuesday, May 25, 2010

Mortgage Rates

Mortgage Rates at New Lows, Thanks to Europe's Debt Crisis

Here's some good news for the struggling US housing market: Thanks to the European debt crisis, mortgage rates are at historic lows.

The current average rate for a 30 year fixed loan is 4.87 percent, according to Bankrate.com. That's the lowest rate for the 30 years since Bankrate started keeping track 25 years ago. Even jumbo loan rates-loans for more than $417,000-have fallen. The 30-year fixed jumbo loan is at an average rate of 4.5 percent, down from nearly 6 percent at this time last year.

"It's the best time in our generation to buy," says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's. "It may be the best time in any generation. Mortgage rates are so low and with homes prices down and lots of inventory, you couldn't pick a better time to buy or re-finance."

Europe's debt crisis is behind the drop. Nervous investors are flocking to the security of US Treasurys, which pushes down their yield and influences a host of consumer interest rates-including those on mortgages. The decline is also good news for homeowners looking to refinance, particularly those who owe more on their mortgage than their house is worth. "There's a tremendous window on re-financing," says Greg McBride, chief economist at Bankrate.com. "That's particularly true for people who can take advantage of the government's Home Affordability Refinance Program (HARP)-which allows home owners to refinance into low mortgage interest rates even if they're property value has gone down." HARP, which was due to end at the end of this June, now runs through June of 2011.

"Think of the benefits if you buy or refinance now," says McBride. "Locking in now at the lower rates means more more bang for the buck and more breathing room for homeowners when it comes to payments." But the decline in rates probably won't last long, analysts say. So homeowners need to move fast. "I think they won't last much longer than a month or two at the best," says Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the National Association of Realtors. "I can see them going up to 5.5 percent by the end of June if not sooner." The reasons? Yun says the worries over Europe will be fading soon and investors will be looking at other assets besides US Treasurys. And there's the US deficit, which will push up Treasury yields.

"The US is fortunate now that there's no pressure on interest rates," Yun goes on to say. "But going forward, higher rates will be needed for financing the debt." Zandi agrees. "Yes, I can't see these rates being this low in three to four weeks," Zandi says. "Investor's will settle down and this current crisis (Europe) will pass and the focus will be back on US debt. It's really a now or never type of proposition, when it comes to getting these types of historic rates."

Tuesday, January 19, 2010

10 Cheap Ways to Boost Your Sales Price by Spring

10 Cheap Ways to Boost Your Sales Price by Spring

As the temperature drops and the snow piles up, it's easy to forget that spring is quickly approaching. And after more than three years of a painful housing swoon, real estate experts predict that lower prices, attractive mortgage rates, and a tax perk from Uncle Sam will create the most vibrant spring home selling season in some time. "This is going to be probably the most pleasant experience for a home seller in the last four or five years," says Mike Larson of Weiss Research. "If you have been beating your head against a wall, this is going to feel a lot better." But even if the market does perk up, buyers are likely to retain the upper hand throughout 2010. So to help property owners get the best selling price they can--without burying themselves in expenses--U.S. News has created a list of 10 cheap ways to boost a home's sales price by spring:

1. Retouch the front shell
If your property's exterior isn't appealing, no one will want to see your newly remodeled kitchen. So property sellers must first ensure that their home projects a cozy, inviting feeling. "The shell--the outside front--is probably the most important area for improvement, the area where you can make the biggest improvement with the smallest amount of cash," says Pat Lashinsky, the president and CEO of ZipRealty. Touching up the paint on the front-entry portion of the house can be an inexpensive but effective way to make the entire property more inviting, Lashinsky says. "Really focus on that outside, external shell," he says. "You would be amazed by the amount of people that drive by a house and say, 'Ah, that's not for me.' And they can tell just by the way the upkeep and the outside looks.

2. Trim the greenery
Ensuring that the lawn, hedges, and flowers are well maintained helps make your home more alluring to prospective buyers as well. Property owners can hire professional landscapers or break out the lawn mower and get busy themselves. "Many people have landscaping that is overgrown and too heavy, and it is concealing a lot of the house," says Paul Zuch, the president of Capital Improvements. "Trim the trees, trim the hedges ... [and] add a little color to the flower beds."

3. Paint the interior
Putting a fresh coat of paint on the home's interior is a cost-effective way for sellers to make their home more appealing to buyers, says Ron Phipps, a broker with Phipps Realty in Warwick, R.I. But when choosing the color, homeowners should be conservative. "The caution is that your favorite color may not be the favorite color of the buyer." Instead, homeowners are best off using neutral colors, Phipps says. "Go with something that is a very light yellow or a light cream with a contrasting white, so it just looks very fresh and crisp . ... Having the paint in good condition is almost more important than the color."

4. Don't forget the floors
Improving the condition of a home's flooring is also a smart move for sellers--and you don't need to refinish wood floors or install new carpets to make them more attractive. "If it's a hardwood [floor], has the floor been buffed?" says David Lupberger, a home improvement expert with ServiceMagic.com. "If you have carpets, have the carpets been cleaned?"

5. Make all major repairs
Because tighter lending standards demand higher down payments, today's home buyers won't have much cash left over for improvements once they've made their purchase. So it's imperative for sellers to make all major home repairs--fixing the leaky roof, rebuilding the front stoop--before they put the property on the market. "Repairs can't be ignored, because nobody has any extra money," Phipps says. To determine what needs to be done, property owners can scrutinize their homes themselves or bring in a home inspector to examine the property professionally. "The home inspection piece I think is something that is a huge value, particularly if there is something that is a question," Phipps says.

6. Put appliances under warranty
To give buyers more confidence in a home's appliances, Phipps recommends that sellers put them under warranty. Sellers can buy home warranties--which cover repair and replacement costs for many home appliances--from several different firms. "If I have got a 40- or 50-year-old house, it is going to be harder for me to persuade a first-time home buyer with a limited amount of cash to buy it because they will say, 'Well, what happens if something breaks down?' " Phipps says. "If I have a home warranty ... that solves that problem."

7. Make energy-efficient home improvements
Increasing your home's energy efficiency is another good way to make your property more attractive to buyers. Many such improvements--such as new windows or better insulation--come with federal tax benefits. In addition, a growing awareness of human impact on the environment means homes that have these upgrades will stand out from other listings. "If you have some cruddy old windows that are leaky and just not energy efficient, you can put in new replacement windows and take advantage of the tax credit," Zuch says. "It's not green washing. Those are really practical things that make your house more sellable." Many contractors will conduct a so-called energy audit free of charge to determine where efficiencies can be created, Zuch says. "If your house is more energy efficient-you use less energy, it's better insulated-it is going to be more desirable for a potential buyer," he says.

8. New light fixtures
Replacing old or broken light fixtures with new ones can also be a low-cost way to add value, Lupberger says. Installing a nice new light fixture in the foyer near the home's entrance can be a particular benefit, he said, because it can make a strong first impression on would-be buyers. Creating an inviting feeling in the interior entryway, in turn, helps get home shoppers more interested in checking out the rest of the property. "I am not going to redo the house," Lupberger says. "But I can update those features so that somebody can walk in and say, 'You know what? [the homeowners] took care of this.'"

9. New stove in the kitchen
While some homeowners might think the only way to jazz up a dated kitchen is a full-on remodeling job, Lashinsky recommends a much less costly alternative: buying a new stove. "If there is an updated stove in the kitchen, it is amazing how that draws people in, and people say, 'Wow, this kitchen is going to be great,' " Lashinsky says. While upscale homeowners may have to shell out for top-of-the-line appliances to maintain their kitchen's d├ęcor, others can budget well under $1,000 for the upgrade. "You can get a really nice stove for $700 or $800," Lashinsky says. "You can basically have the look of a new kitchen that is going to be really enticing to someone-and what you are really trying to do is differentiate your house from somebody else's." Property owners in neighborhoods where most homes have granite countertops can consider making this upgrade as well. But Lupberger says the project makes sense only for homeowners with extremely dated kitchens that are going to serve as a serious impediment to finding a buyer. A real estate agent with experience in the local market can help you determine whether or not the upgrade is essential, he says.

10. Freshen up the bathrooms
Getting rid of mildew stains on the bathroom caulking can boost a home's appeal as well. Such stains "scream, 'These people haven't taken care of this house. It's going to be a money pit,' " Zuch says. Use a razor blade to remove the old caulk, and replace it with new, mildew-resistant caulk, Zuch says. And rather than remodeling the entire space, homeowners can reinvigorate a worn-down bathroom by replacing cracked sinks, Lupberger says.

Monday, January 4, 2010

10 Things To Know About Real Estate In 2010

Is 2010 the year to buy a house? It certainly looks that way: After a steep run-up in prices during the first half of the decade, home values have plummeted back to 2003 levels. Fixed mortgage rates are sitting near record lows. And the foreclosure epidemic--while painful for many home owners--has created some wonderful opportunities for bargain hunters. If that's not enough, Uncle Sam is handing out thousands of dollars in tax credits to nearly all first-time buyers and the bulk of existing home owners who close a purchase by June.

But while the 2010 outlook appears inviting, there's one key catch. "You need to have a stable job," says Mark Zandi, the chief economist of Moody's Economy.com. The economy is showing signs of life, but the unemployment rate is already at 10 percent and expected to go higher. And while those mortgage rates are attractive, buying a house makes sense only if you can bank on your income stream. So before you consider purchasing a home, take a hard look at your job, your company, and your industry.

1. Prices to bottom: After more than three years of falling, real estate values have shown signs of stabilization in recent months. At the national level, home prices slid nearly 9 percent between the third quarter of 2008 and the same period this year, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller home price report. That's a notable improvement from the second quarter's nearly 15 percent annual drop and the first quarter's 19 percent decline. This improvement will give way to a bottom in home prices--finally!--in 2010, but not before additional declines, Zandi says. Zandi projects home prices will hit bottom in the third quarter of 2010 after logging a peak-to-trough decline of roughly 37 percent, based on the S&P/Case-Shiller national home price index. "That means we've got another roughly 10 percent [decline] to go," Zandi says.

2. Mortgage delinquencies up: Amid falling home prices and a nasty labor market, roughly 1 in every 7 mortgages was either past due or in foreclosure by the end of the third quarter--the highest delinquency rate in the 37-year history of the Mortgage Bankers Association's National Delinquency Survey. Two factors are expected to drive delinquencies even higher next year. First, nearly 1 in 4 homeowners currently owes more on their mortgage than the property is worth, which increases their odds of default. And secondly, the national unemployment rate--which already stands at 10 percent--will peak at about 10.5 percent in the first quarter of 2010, says Patrick Newport, an economist at IHS Global Insight. Additional job losses mean more borrowers won't be able to pay their mortgage bills. "The [delinquency] rate is going to stay up there for quite a while because the job market is going to be really weak for a while," Newport says.

3. Foreclosures move upstream: The number of foreclosure sales will increase to about 1.9 million in 2010, according to Moody's Economy.com. And while we've already seen a growing number of more expensive homes heading into foreclosure, Heather Fernandez, vice president of marketing at the real estate search engine Trulia, expects the trend to pick up steam next year. (Trulia is a U.S. News partner.) "We are poised in 2010 to see a surge of foreclosures from prime borrowers. Hundreds of billions of dollars in option [adjustable rate] mortgages are set to be recast" next year, Fernandez says. Option adjustable rate mortgages allow borrowers to make lower monthly payments for an initial period, after which the payments adjust--or "recast"--higher. For some borrowers, the new payments can be more than twice their initial payments. Combined with other factors, like the loss of a job, a recasting option adjustable rate mortgage can make borrowers more likely to default. "These are [properties] at higher price points [and] potentially in more desirable neighborhoods," Fernandez says.

4. Mortgage rates to rise: Anyone who purchased a home in 2009 was presented with some extremely attractive mortgage rates. Rates on 30-year, fixed mortgages fell to an average of 4.88 percent in November, down sharply from 6.09 a year earlier. A key factor behind the plunge was a Federal Reserve program, first announced in November of 2008, that purchased debt and mortgage-backed securities from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But the program is slated to expire at the end of the first quarter, and if private investors don't step up, fixed mortgage rates could jump. (The Fed, of course, could always decide to extend the program.) The unwinding of this Fed program, the improving economy, and mounting concern over government deficits could push rates on 30-year, fixed mortgages to roughly 5.5 percent by mid-2010 and close to 6 percent by the end of the year, says Mike Larson of Weiss Research. "Almost all signs to me point higher," Larson says.

5. Buyer's market remains: With prices still falling, mortgage rates remaining historically attractive, and additional homes hitting the market in the form of foreclosures, the dynamics of the real estate market will continue to favor buyers over sellers in 2010. That means those looking to buy a home next year should not feel pressured to act impulsively. "You don't need to have a sense of urgency, but understand that as time progresses the balance of power as we get into 2010 is going to slowly but surely shift away from [buyers]," Larson says. "It is not going to be a strong seller's market, but it will be more evenly distributed as the year goes on." Data from the real estate firm Zillow show that home buyers are already losing the leverage they once enjoyed. While home buyers landed a median discount of 4.6 percent off listing prices in January, the size of the gap fell to 2.7 percent by October. Expect this gap to close further as 2010 marches on.

6. Modification plan could be modified: While the Obama administration has put nearly 700,000 borrowers into temporarily restructured mortgages, it had found permanent fixes for just 31,382 struggling homeowners through November. What's more, critics have identified two key shortcomings of the government's $75 billion antiforeclosure plan. First, the program isn't much help for borrowers struggling to stay in their homes as the result of a job loss. And the rickety labor market is a key factor behind rising delinquencies. At the same time, the plan does not sufficiently address the issue of negative equity--owing more on your home loan than the property is worth--which also works to increase foreclosures. "The current modification program does not address negative equity and is therefore destined to fail," Laurie Goodman, a senior managing director at Amherst Securities Group, told a congressional committee in written testimony on December 8. "It must be amended to explicitly address this problem." Zandi says the government may move next year to overhaul the modification program in two ways: improving troubled borrowers' negative equity positions by writing down some of the mortgage principal, and helping to turn troubled homeowners into renters.

7. FHA lending standards may increase: While banks have jacked up lending standards in the face of mounting delinquencies, mortgages backed by the Federal Housing Administration--which come with a minimum down payment of just 3.5 percent--have remained accessible to a wide swath of borrowers. The FHA guarantees nearly 30 percent of new-home purchase mortgages today, up sharply from just 3 percent in 2006. But the rapid growth has occurred alongside an increase in mortgage delinquencies. As a result, the FHA's reserves have dipped below congressionally mandated levels. The development has put pressure on the Obama administration to beef up its requirements for agency-backed home loans. In early December, the Department of Housing and Urban Development announced that it would make several changes to FHA mortgage requirements: raising up-front cash requirements, boosting minimum credit scores, and perhaps charging more for insurance premiums. Additional new restrictions may be in store. Taken together, the developments could work to choke off the supply of mortgage credit to borrowers who can't get financing elsewhere.

8. Tax credit available through June: On top of lower prices and cheap mortgage rates, Uncle Sam is offering an additional incentive to get buyers into the market next year. In early November, President Obama signed a bill extending and expanding a popular tax perk for home buyers. The legislation gives qualified first-time home buyers a tax credit of up to $8,000 if they close the purchase of a primary residence by the end of June. Meanwhile, qualified current home owners are eligible for a credit of up to $6,500 when they buy their next principal residence. But while the tax perk may make a home purchase more tempting, would-be buyers should make sure they have the job security and financial wherewithal to handle the transaction before going ahead. "Don't let [the home buyer tax credit] be the thing that drives you to act," Larson says.

9. Markets will vary a great deal by region: The performance of the national housing market is much less important that the dynamics of your local market, and sales and pricing trends will vary a great deal from one area to the next in 2010. "There will be geographic pockets where the values will still continue to decline, and there will be geographic pockets where they increase," said Dale Siegel, a mortgage broker and the author of The New Rules for Mortgages. That means anyone interested in buying real estate next year can't just read the national headlines. Instead, find a good blog that covers the local housing market and consider speaking with a real estate agent with experience in the area. Check out online listings--pay close attention to pricing and inventory trends. And make sure to head out to open houses to get a firsthand feel for the market.

10. Mobile maps can help: Advances in technology have enabled would-be home buyers to increase the efficiency of their searches. For example, Zillow's iPhone app allows home buyers to see the estimated values and listed prices of the properties they pass on the street. The app, which is free, has been downloaded more than 830,000 times. Trulia has unveiled a similar product that allows users to find nearby open houses as well. "If you are sitting in a neighborhood having brunch on a Sunday, you can very easily pull up your phone [and] walk into open houses," says Trulia's Fernandez.

Monday, November 9, 2009

Foreclosures VS Shortsales....

Buying a foreclosure or short sale can be complex. Because each situation is unique, understanding the buying process is critical. Short sales, foreclosures and lender owned properties can be classified as non-traditional home sales. While they may provide the opportunity to buy real estate at reduced prices, these types of sales are complicated and take longer than traditional real estate.

Short Sales: The seller is asking their lender(s) to agree to take less than the amount owed on the home as payment in full. It’s considered a short sale when the sale price is insufficient to pay off the total mortgage(s) and costs of the sale. Contrary to its name, a short sale can be one of the most time consuming types of real estate transactions because the seller and lender(s) must agree to the terms of modifications of the seller’s mortgage obligations.

In Foreclosure: Properties in foreclosure represent an owner who has missed one or more mortgage payments and has received an official notice of foreclosure from their lender. Lender Owned, Once the foreclosure process is complete, the property becomes lender owned. The seller is now the bank and the home is vacant. Things to Consider: Non-traditional home sales are more complex and potentially more time consuming because the lender is heavily involved in the transaction – either acting with approval powers or as the owner/seller. Foreclosed properties may be previously owned by people experiencing financial difficulties and may require costly updates and repairs. Liens or back taxes often create challenges with the property's title. When entering into this type of real estate transaction, it’s critical to work with an expert who understands the market and can help you navigate the process. To learn more about buying a short sale or foreclosure contact Traci or Eryn!

Friday, November 6, 2009

Tax Credit Extended and Expanded!

Tax Credit Extension & Expansion is Approved!

President Obama has approved a bill for the Housing Tax Credit Expansion and Extension. Here’s what it means:
The $8,000 First-Time Homebuyer Tax Credit is Extended!
Now, qualified first-time home buyers would receive their $8000 tax credit if they sign a purchase contract by April 30, 2010 and close by June 30, 2010.
The home purchased must be their primary residence
Buyer cannot have owned a home during the past three years
Tax credit is up to 10% of the home value (not to exceed $8,000)
Annual income caps to qualify for the tax credit have increased ($125K for single filers / $225K for joint filers). Partial tax credit can be granted for incomes up to $145K for single filers / $245K for joint filers.
PLUS New $6,500 Tax Credit for Current Home Owners Purchasing a Primary Residence
Eligible home buyers must have lived in their current home for 5 consecutive years of the past 8 years.
The new home does not have to cost more than the old home.
Eligible for homes with purchase agreements signed between November 6, 2009 and April 30, 2010, and close by June 30, 2010
Annual income caps to qualify for the full tax credit are $125K for single filers / $225K for joint filers. Partial tax credit can be granted for incomes up to $145K for single filers / $245 for joint filers.
Changes Chart and FAQs from www.realtor.org (National Association of Realtors® website) are attached.

Monday, April 20, 2009

Spring housing market off to a strong start!

There's an upside to the nation's housing glut, fed by the crush of foreclosures: Housing gets more affordable.

In Minnesota, closed home sales were up 14.25 percent from one year ago, as indicated from the 13 county metro housing statistics released by the Saint Paul Area Association of REALTORS® today.

Nationwide, sales of existing homes rose 5.1% to 4.72 million from January to February - the largest sales jump since July 2003, the National Association of Realtors reports.
The surprising increase was driven by buyers taking advantage of big discounts on foreclosed homes. The median sale price was $165,400, down 15.5% from a year earlier and down 28% from their peak in July 2006.

First-time home buyers who could not break into the housing market in the boom years are prime buyers now that prices are at or near bottom and mortgage interest rates are below 5%.
According to Cindy Moynihan with Prime Mortgage, "the stimulus tax credit is working. We have seen a remarkable increase in the number of mortgage applications compared to last year and we have a number of clients that are in the pre-approval process ready to purchase a home". She goes on to say that "first time homebuyers have been given $8,000 that does not have to be repaid and they are ready to spend it."

Another good sign in this spring market is the decline in the number of new listings added to the overall inventory in the Twin Cities metro area. There were 7,870 new listings added in March compared to 8,523 in March 08, a 7.66 percent decline. Meantime, median sales price in the Twin Cites metro continues to search for its low point. The median sales price for a single-family, residential property in March 09 was reported at $154,125, a 22.94 percent decline from one year ago. The median sales price one year ago was $200,000. However, as inventory decreases and as buyers get motivated by low interest rates and tax credit programs, the median sales price could be close to reaching its floor. For the first time since July of last year the median sales price increased on a month-over-month basis by 2.75 percent. The median sales price one month ago was $150,000. Housing statistics include existing single family homes, condominiums and townhomes.

Statistics are provided by the Saint Paul Area Association of REALTORS® and are based on data supplied by the Regional Multiple Listing Service.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Pending Home Sales Offer Hope

For-sale signs have stayed in place a little longer with the persistent decline in home sales. But Tuesday brought good news: The pending home sales index nationwide rose 6.3 percent from November to December.

The national and local increases reported Tuesday are seen as good news for a depressed housing market.

By JIM BUCHTA, Star Tribune

Good news arrived for Main Street --and Wall Street -- on Tuesday when the National Association of Realtors reported that its pending home sales index nationwide rose 6.3 percent from November to December. That report helped reverse three days of declines for the Dow Jones industrials, lifting the index 141 points.

The Twin Cities got even better news. Actual pending sales in the 13-county metro area during January rose a robust 17.7 percent, marking the seventh consecutive year-over-year monthly increase, according to an analysis of data from the Minneapolis Area Association of Realtors.
While the latest sales figures are a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy economy, persistent declines in home prices, clogged credit markets and rising unemployment suggest that a full recovery might still be several months down the road.

"I would love to think that this is the bottom," said Mary Bujold, director of research for Minneapolis-based Maxfield Research. "But I don't know that right at this moment that I can be that optimistic."

The pending sale report is closely watched by many because it's an important indication of future activity. It generally takes two to three months for those pending sales to become closed sales, but in today's market, not every pending is going to become a closed sale the next month.
Yet other market indicators will continue to present challenges well into next year: Median sale prices are expected to fall at double-digit rates for several months to come, and getting a mortgage is still a challenge for many buyers. That's why the national group is lobbying the government for additional tax credits to help stimulate the market.

"Significant uncertainty still clouds the housing market despite improved affordability conditions," said Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors. "For a sustainable housing market recovery and, hence, sustainable economic recovery, we need a significant housing stimulus."

New listings coming on the market have steadily declined, reducing overall inventory levels. That includes the inventory of new homes as well.

The number of unsold new houses on the market in the seven-county metro area has fallen from 6,000 units during the first quarter 2007 to a little more than 3,200 by the end of 2008, according to data from MetroStudy. That translates into a 7.7-month supply of new housing.
In Washington earlier this week there has been debate about a plan to lower the interest rate on home mortgages to 4 to 4.5 percent and to stimulate borrowing by requiring Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase those mortgages from lenders.

There's also expected to be pressure from Republican officials to implement a $15,000 tax credit for home buyers. Already, a $7,500 federal tax credit that became available last year is getting some recognition for helping to lift the market.

However, more credit for the rise in pending sales is being given to distress sales, which accounted for 32 percent of all active listings in the Twin Cities metro area last month. Sales of those lender-mediated transactions, including foreclosures and short sales in which the lender forgives part of the mortgage to facilitate a sale, have been a drag on home prices. The median sale price of a traditional home sale last year was down 2.6 percent, while lender-mediated sales plummeted 19 percent, according to the Twin Cities association.

Pending sales don't translate directly into closed sales the next month. In November, for example, in the Twin Cities metro area, pending home sales rose 3.7 percent ahead of the same month in 2007. But in December closed sales rose almost 15 percent compared with December 2007.

Though such data aren't tracked regionally, some say that contract cancellations are on the rise. That's because in today's market, borrowers are more likely to discover after they've signed a contract that they can't get a mortgage, while others are making low-ball offers on bank-owned listings that can take many months to close.

The National Association of Realtors said Tuesday that the increase in pending sales in December was well above what economists expected.

Though declines in inventory and rising sales are good news for the market, broader economic challenges persist.

"People just don't know what's going to happen," Bujold said. "Uncertainty means that you don't go out and make any purchases unless you feel like you have to take advantage of it because it's not going to come around again."